Jan-Erik Nilsson, Raffles Hotel, Singapore. September 2004



Dear Friends,

My name is Jan-Erik Nilsson. I live in Sweden and have collected, studied and worked with Antique Chinese pottery and porcelain for almost thirty years.

In December 2009 Gotheborg.com will celebrate its ten year anniversary as a non-commercial collectors resource and meeting place on the Internet. The story begun the 3rd of December 1998, when I begun anew with Gotheborg.com as my personal way to get to meet people with similar interests in Asian Art as I had. I also felt I would not mind sharing whatever knowledge in this area I had managed to pick up over the years, with other collectors.

Most of the initial research that went into the Gotheborg.com in 1998 was already published by me in support of the excavation and reconstruction of the Swedish East Indiaman Gotheborg, lost in 1745, hence the name Gotheborg.com. Even the yellow background on most pages is a sample of a direct scan of the original founding document of the Swedish East India Company, published in 1731. Most of this ealier material was aimed by me to become a research resource about the Swedish East India trade in general, both material and humanistic, but by and by my interest came to focus on my own area of interest - the human side of the travels, the tracks of cultural exchange it had left and - the Chinese export porcelain cargo as such.

Gotheborg.com was then finally something I just wanted to do myself as a tribute to a life long interest. Instrumental in this was the good examples set by my friend and mentor Professor Bo Gyllensvärd, who had always listened to and encouraged any would-be collector approaching him for help.

I felt I owed something back and very much wanted his personal mindset and certainly that of many other great collectors and scholars throughout history, to be kept alive for the encouragement of the collecting interest of Oriental Ceramic Art, based on an interest in and understanding of the Asian history, its people and its culture.

In his interest in the minyao - wares from the peoples kilns - Bo Gyllensvärd was long before his time, probably somewhat fostered by his close relation to the many different white wares in the Carl Kempe (1884-1967) Collection at Ekolsund; the 'Sung Shards', collected by Dr. Nils Palmgren, whose publication largely fell on his hands; and at the very beginning of his career, his work with the many Neolithic pots collected and brought to Sweden by J. G. Andersson from the Yangshao and other area. Much of this showing stunning artistic accomplishments if you had it in your heart to see it.

Carl Kempe Coleection at the Castle of Ekolsund
Carl Kempe Collection at the Collection Room at the Castle of Ekolsund, Sweden.
From left to right; Jarl Vansvik, Reidun Loose, Bo Gyllensvärd.
Jacket on chair in front of two stemcups and two early Ming bowls, mine.
Photo © Jan-Erik Nilsson

Other members of this forum have similar homage to pay to their mentors as in Mike Vermeer to Clarence Shangraw and both of us to the dear grand old lady of Chinese porcelain, Margaret Medley, to name but a few.

As a collector and an Arts student I felt lonely compared to the antiques trade. I felt that we as collectors were on the bottom of the food chain so to speak. The dealers had their meeting places and their fairs, which we as buyers did not have. So, I decided to try to even out the odds a bit, and create a place where collectors could meet on their own and discuss their side of the issues, keeping all advertising and business interests out of the way.

I had some experience in Antiques Road show looking events from museum and antiques fair events, where I had really enjoyed myself and knew how much people actually wondered about their mysterious pieces left to them by distant relatives and decorated with oriental looking figures in strange river landscapes, embellished with oversized flowers, and felt that what I wanted to do was to do these authentications in 'broad daylight' so to speak, while letting anybody who had an interest listen in to add their thoughts and their knowledge. I really did not mind listening too. However, the technique for this was not available just yet. This was the time of manual programming page by page.

So, I started anyway by inviting visitors to email me questions and pictures. I then published them one by one together with my answers, for every area where I felt I had something, however small, to contribute. To get feedback, comments and corrections I invited visitors to send emails and also opened a public Guest book.

The 27th of June 1999 I started an email based 'discussion list', initially with an organization called ONElist, which in February 2000 merged into something called eGroups that all eventually was sold to Yahoo.

In April 23, 2003 Yahoo had grown too commercial to fit our needs, so it was time to move on. By recommendation from of our member Lee Inness-Brown we integrated a very solid discussion board software of our own, which we are still on. From now on, any number of discussions could go on at the same time, members could easily upload pictures and choose which disussions they wanted to follow via email of the web browser. And best of all, nothing needed to be deleted.

Old-timers still remember with a smile the flurry of activities every new question posted to the old discussion board set off. It was crucial that any question was dealt with at once, because as soon as the next question was posted, the threads would somehow be mixed and the focus be shifted ever onto the next question.

Well into this project, in April 3, 2000, I got an email from a Simon Ng at the City University of Hong Kong, who was also a dedicated collector and wanted to be added to the discussion list. When in July the Marks Section was initiated through a donation of Chinese and Japanese porcelain marks by Karl-Hans Schneider in Euskirchen, Germany, Simon Ng now became the ideal partner in creating the Chinese part of the Gotheborg.com MARKS section. Today this section is one of the most referenced pages on the Gotheborg.com site.

A few months later the 1st of September 2000, was also a lucky day, because that was the day when Mike Vermeer of Vermeer & Griggs in Los Angeles emailed me and asked if he could put up a link to my site since he had planned something similar but felt he could as well help me out in my efforts instead of doing it himself. That was the beginning of a long and lasting friendship. In my eyes that were the 'American spirit' I had read about, but never seen in real life. He eventually joined in on the discussion list, where he has lectured on Imperial porcelain and Chinese taste, special glazes and the appreciation of quality as such, ever since.

By the end of 2003 I started to piece together all bits and pieces of information we were often referring to, and collected all this into the GLOSSARY we now have. This is by now the largest and most comprehensive on Chinese ceramics on the Internet, however many entries would do fine with a revision.

In February 2005 my admiration for Georges Bouvier and his specialist's site on Kutani had grown into an actual invitation to join forces. This had actually already begun with John Wocher joining us too as a moderator in June 2004 about a year earlier, from which time the Japanese section rapidly went up to on par with the Chinese section. I know and am sorry I need to leave out quite a number of moderators and very important contributors who like Scott, Sal, Tommy, Hans, Matt, Ian, IP, Lye, Keith, Tim, David, Sally, Sandra, Elyce and many more who have put their special flavor to the board and contributed greatly over the years, but the point is that this board is a joint effort of I think unique proportions, especially when it comes to the quality of the help offered.

About two years ago our Board archive had grown so large that it was not possible any more to run it as a standard web page. The bandwidth cost for content distribution was also getting out of hand, so from Friday 3rd, January 2006 the Discussion Board was moved to a dedicated server of its own, which eventually was combined with a structure to finance it via donations and a modest membership fee along with the original non-profit intentions of the list.

Today our Discussion Board hosts more than 100,000 messages and pictures on file and is growing with about 20,000 messages per year.

In this virtual specimens meeting where the sprits of our forerunners are clearly perceivable are beginners and experts sharing and giving in mutual respect. Eventually you will get to know all of them, with their shortcomings, peculiarities and their own brand of humor. You will also get to know whom to listen extra careful to and who are still trying out their wings. Eventually you will start liking them all for whom they are.

Old school collectors never discussed the prices or the financial value of a piece. That was considered not important. What interested them were the artistic merits of the objects, the potter's accomplishments and what the porcelain could tell about its history and about those who made and used it. I would like to agree with this view that I think is the best way of looking at the things we are collecting. If you think too much about the price, the price tag will eventually obscure the object.

All in all I think this little virtual home on the Internet is quite a friendly place and after a few months just about anybody will start knowing their way around. Usually there are always a few major disappointments and some ruffled feathers along the way, but say where does this not happen if you really care about what you are doing?

In my personal view it is always too early to give up. I think anybody should give yourselves the chance of figuring out who are who among the 600 odd members we happen to have right now. Some of them might well turn out to become lifelong friends.

If you appreciate this site please consider a membership at the discussion board where you can also consider becoming a sponsor. As a thank you, your name will - if you don't mind - be added to the Sponsor's list.

Jan-Erik Nilsson
 
 
 

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  1. What is Gotheborg.com?
  2. How much does it cost to use the gotheborg.com website?
  3. Can I consult you regarding things I am considering to buy anywhere in the world?
  4. I use this site a lot, can I sponsor it in some way?
  5. What is the Gotheborg Discussion Board?
  6. The only thing you will ever get, is opinions
  7. How do porcelain experts go about telling if something is genuine?
  8. What kind of background do you have?
  9. Which types of Chinese porcelain are your favorites?
  10. Do you give courses?
  11. What is your opinion about eBay?
  12. If I want to invest in Chinese porcelain what should I buy
  13. As a new collector, where should I buy?
  14. What kind of pieces are the best buy right now
  15. What kind of pieces should be avoided
  16. Is it possibly to advertise on the gotheborg.com web pages
  17. How about copyright on things I send to the gotheborg.com web page or list?
  18. Pictures
  19. Copyright and legal disclaimer on service provided
  20. How do we get in contact with you?
  1. What is Gotheborg.com


    Gotheborg.com is a free resource page for collectors of antique Chinese and Japanese Porcelain. It offers a wide set of resources for your own collecting pleasure such as an extensive archive of translated and dated Japanese and Chinese porcelain marks, a glossary of porcelain terms, Chinese porcelain history, Chinese travelogues, Question & Answer pages and a very active Discussion Board and research archive. Visitors are welcome to ask for personal help or to become member of our friendly porcelain collector's Discussion Board.



  2. How much does it cost to use the gotheborg.com website


    Most of it is free. The site with marks, glossary, stories, questions & answers, porcelain history and book recommendations is accessable for free. Even quite a lot of the Discussion Board is available for free reading. If you want to post questions at the Discussion Board, there is a membership fee to that. Personal consultations is also available for a fee, see Ask a Question.



  3. Can I consult you regarding things I am considering to buy anywhere in the world?


    Yes, the same way as you would ask a friend. Look at the limitations that applies for email consultations and if this is ok with you, I don't mind telling what I think. The best is to use the special "Ask A Question" page for this.



  4. I use this site a lot, can I sponsor it in some way?


    The best and most valuable for all of us is that you become a member of the Discussion Board. There is a basic rate for the service as such and then an volountary additional donation you can add if you like. The basic rate covers the membership in full but by choosing any of the higher levels you are indeed helping me with the costs for running all that is here for free. As a small thank you, your name can be listed at the Sponsors list.



  5. What is the Gotheborg Discussion Board?


    The Gotheborg Discussion Board is a Collector's discussion board where all questions, answers and pictures are saved in a huge database. Collecting Asian ceramics is as interesting as it is difficult and sometimes we just need to have someone to ask. The number of fakes on the market is baffling and somehow we collectors needs to team up our resources to stand a chance ever knowing what is real or not. My thinking when starting this was that we ourselves as well as our collections would benefit immensely if we could share each others knowledge. So, don't think of this list as a 'free appraisal service', but a club or a friendly meeting place where you can get help when you need, if you are prepared to help when you can.



  6. Can I email you questions about porcelain?


    Yes, you can send email questions directly to me via the Ask A Question page, or you can become a full member of the Discussion Board.



  7. The only thing you will ever get, is opinions


    You will eventually understand that the only thing you will ever get from an expert, is an opinion. Some might be more well-founded than other, but if you have found something you like, and someone proclaims it a "fake", maybe you should consider keeping it anyway, until you know for yourself what you got. If you are a collector this is a lerning opportunity. Most collectors I know keep track of all opinions they get about their pieces. To read these catalog cards can be quite entertaining and is an interesting part of any collection. I have made the mistake myself some times, to give up too early on things I don't fully understand, and I always regret that.



  8. How do porcelain experts go about telling if something is genuine?


    Mostly this is long time studies combined with lots of hands-on experience. Ideally you need to have handled the same type of items for years. This is also why it is questionable if it is good or bad to handle too many fakes. You might get used to the wrong things.

    Basically this is because every period has its particular aesthetics and technology. The periods differ in their ways of looking at things and how this technically and artistcally was interpretated into ways, shapes and forms that persons of the period could identify with and appreciate. Any piece is 'wrong' if it does not follow the eaesthetics of the period.

    To know the shapes, colours and decorations common to a period and the rythm in which these harmonized with each other, that usually gives the best clues we can have to discriminate the period and the true from the false. If you then also understand the available technology of the time, and how things was done at different periods, that is even better. Still, to only look at technicalities and not the 'art' aspects can be very misleading.



  9. How come you know so much about porcelain?


    Basically bacause it has always been my special personal interest. I have been intrigued by Asia and genuine porcelain since childhood.
    Eventually I got to study Arts History at the University of Gothenburg. I then had the great fortune to get to know Professor Bo Gyllensvärd, founder and former head of the Museum of Far Eastern Antiquities in Stockholm who was very patient with me over the years.

    During the first part of the East Indiaman Gothenburg ship replica project which I for several years took a leading part in, I was head of research and one of the three members of the Consultative Board of Science as expert on the 18th century Swedish East India company trade.

    Professionally I got to take over Professor Gyllensvärds role as consultative appraiser of Oriental Pottery and Porcelain to one of the larger auction houses in Sweden. I would really recommend anyone to try to get to handle as much real antique porcelain as you can however you do that.

    A curio I really enjoy is that I might be the only person ever who have been asked to officially stand-in at one time for Professor of Oriental Art; Bo Gyllensvärd, introducing a Museum exhibition of Chinese porcelain, and at another occation the Professor of History; Jörgen Weibull, giving a lecturing about the Swedish East India Company (1731-1813) and its trade. They are now both gone and dearly missed. By running this site I am trying to some extent to carry on their legacy in scholarly generosity and helpfulness.

    A most valuable experience was also to live in Jingdezhen enjoying the guidance and hospitality of the Archaeological Institute during a few weeks in 1991 and 1992 together with Professor Bo Gyllensvärd and two collecting friends I really admire for their dedication and integrity - Jarl Vansvik and Erik Engel.



  10. Which types of Chinese porcelain are your favorites?


    Thanks to the fact that we had a Swedish East India company in Gothenburg during the 18th century I have been able to study quite a few 18th century export porcelain pieces. The sheer number of authentic pieces availably in Sweden from the late 17th century and onwards makes me believe I have a solid foundation to refer to in this area.
    The Swedish geologist Johan Gunnar Andersson is known to actually have discovered the Chinese pre-history. The whole Yangshao culture is even named by him. Thanks mostly to his findings we got a huge collection of Neolithic pottery in Sweden, the largest outside China I belive gives all Swedish collectors a good possibility to study that area.

    Thanks to my years of working close to the antiques and auction trade, I got a wide experience regarding most oriental ceramics and I also feel quite comfortable about what has beed made in the Jingdezhen area over the last millennium. However, there is so much ceramics out there, it is impossible to know everything.



  11. Do you give courses?


    Currently I am once in a whole asked to hold lectures. I would not mind giving courses if there were an interest in it.



  12. What is your opinion about eBay?


    I think it is 'buyers beware' if anything. You can find some good pieces there, but you really have to know your things first. When I looked last, I figured that 99 out of 100 of the pieces being auctioned as antique Chinese porcelain were fakes or had totally outrageous attributions. That is not the place to learn about antiques, unless you have endless space to store fakes and are prepared to pay a high tuition fee, and you might still never find a genuine or correctly attributed piece. The problem is compounded by the fact that as long as you have buyers who are trying to get something for nothing, you will have dealers who are happy to sell you nothing for something.



  13. If I want to invest in Chinese porcelain what should I buy


    For investment purposes condition, quality and rareness are all important. Go only for first class. They are hard to find but that is also the reason why they will turn out to be good investments. Then STUDY whatever you buy. Then, if you take care of your collection, your investment will take care of itself.



  14. As a new collector, where should I buy?


    Buy from folks you know and folks you trust and build a realtionship with them. Then, you can settle all questions that might occur in the future on friendly terms and maybe even get help when you one day want to trade in or even sell some part of your collection.

    To be a 'collector' with very little knowledge about the items you want to collect is not wise. So before you collect antiques you need to collect knowledge and that you can do by doing business with established dealers who have been in business for maybe generations, or from any of the international auction houses such as Sotheby's or Christie's. This in most cases means that you beside the piece also will pay for their expertise and guarantees much as you would for the service of a doctor or a lawyer.

    Then, when you have become an expert in your own area of collecting, you can start bargain hunting on your own. Then you will just love flea markets, garage sales, local auctions and even eBay. They are fun and are gold mines to the knowledgeable.



  15. What kind of pieces are the best buy right now


    I would say that the picture are changing every sixth month and that this is impossible to tell. For the beginner collector I think the best is to just not bother to think about that but just go for pieces that you think looks nice and are within budget. The future is very hard to have any opinion on. It usually tends to surprise us all. Probably most areas within Antique Chinese Porcelain will continue to be a good investment. Areas we do not even think of as collectable will probably surprise us. It is extremely important to look at the quality though, for it is not enough with the right period if the quality are not there.

    On the top level, it looks to me that the 19th century Imperial pieces are underpriced.

    On the medium level I believe that 18th century export porcelain will continue to have a steady market. The most intricate decorations from around 1780-90's are most likely to take off since this is appreciated in China too. That the prices on good Kangxi have quadrupled over the last year might have escaped some of the lesser dealers and some local auction houses, so in this segment there might still be bargain possibilities. Unfortunately the market has also been flooded with good copies, so beware.

    In the low end of the market, nicely hand painted enameled pieces from around 1890 until the mid 1940's are being sought after in Asia which has its implications in the West too, since much of this has been exported. Prices from a few $ a year ago are now up into the hundred at least in some cases. From 1950 and later I have a hard time thinking anything will ever be worth anything since so much is printed and machine made, but sooner or later this will probably be collected too, so lets give it a few more decades.

    On the current low end I think that hand painted Japanese export porcelains as in the numerous eggshell tea cups and coffee sets from the 1890's up until well into the 1950's might become the next big surprise. Some of it are remarkable good. It is hand painted, it is cheap, there are tons of it easily available, there are no fakes, and nobody seems to think it will ever amount to anything. My bet is, just wait and see.



  16. What kind of pieces should be avoided


    Before anything you should avoid recent fakes. You might think they are great learning pieces or decorative items or whatever but honestly, they are worth nothing and they will always irritate you and everybody else. From an investment point of view you should consider your total financial situation and go for as expensive pieces you can find and still make it into an interesting collection. Look for rare pieces, high artistic value and good condition. Avoid common shapes and too worn pieces. Anything specifically manufactured and sold as 'collectors items', numbered and signed in gift boxes, are usually a really bad investment. Please, please, please, browse one or two real auction catalogs before you start getting excited about how cheap real antiques are on the Internet. They are not. Good collectors items cost pretty much the same everywhere. The market is international, global and very transparent. Some might be sloser to the sources and some might be better at cutting costs but on the whole, same pieces cost the same anywhere. If not, you might be better off assuming they are "not the same" after all, even if they might look the same.



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